tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8989065134268455107.post5553755166505519010..comments2008-04-17T00:58:13.899-07:00Justin Meierhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06666972726040388471noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8989065134268455107.post-18563787419377924222008-04-17T00:58:00.000-07:002008-04-17T00:58:00.000-07:00

Shelby, Re: your opinion about "threats to sue". Threats are obviously counterproductive. Were threats were made to the OLCC reps at the meeting? I had pointed out the "possible culpability" of the OLCC in the event of alcohol-related mishaps that could be linked to Civic Mart and OLCC regulatory action. (OK, well, maybe that's "veiled...")As a PNA board member, I was compelled to share this

brian bnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8989065134268455107.post-23212806761131211832008-04-16T22:32:00.000-07:002008-04-16T22:32:00.000-07:00

legislative, and legal recourses might be necessary, as well as significant community effort.Quite true. Although I don't think threats to sue (if eventual violence can be tied to relaxed restrictions) are useful in any event -- the doctrine of governmental immunity is extremely difficult to defeat. Complaints about the OLCC process are best addressed to the legislature, and it's remarkable how

Shelbyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03526336902159765558noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8989065134268455107.post-16751461374119833052008-04-16T14:29:00.000-07:002008-04-16T14:29:00.000-07:00

One additional point to be made: clearly the demographics of Piedmont, indeed, all of North and North East Portland have changed markedly for the better over the past 5, 10, 15 years; making for the appearance of better relative crime statistics.However, the Civic Mart's desire to increase hours of operation and sell higher alcohol content beverages is marketing aimed at the remaining criminals

Allannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8989065134268455107.post-48528594268432457262008-04-16T14:08:00.000-07:002008-04-16T14:08:00.000-07:00

One thing OLCC made clear last night is the most powerful arguments will be those that can tie specific acts of criminality to the customers Civic Mart.So, that means emphasize the Feb shooting occurred following a verbal altercation in the Civic Mart parking lot. Similarly, emphasize the hit-and-run occurred as the motorist was turning to enter the Civic Mart parking lot.The Civic Mart's

Allannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8989065134268455107.post-73511672490420391002008-04-16T00:32:00.000-07:002008-04-16T00:32:00.000-07:00

Shelby said..."Statements criticizing the overall process ("I can't believe we're here today") or the commissioners ("Can't you see what's happening?"), or threatening them (e.g. with lawsuits), do not persuade them in your direction. They only alienate."For the administrative hearing, absolutely- be concise, factual, and to the point. Be polite and respectful. But express yourself honestly - and

Brian Bnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8989065134268455107.post-17768173497256144342008-04-15T23:35:00.000-07:002008-04-15T23:35:00.000-07:00

At the meeting, the OLCC folks recommended that groups of people with the same comments to make band together, with one making the statement and the others standing to show how many are spoken for. I suggest Piedmont residents use this forum to organize any such common comments.Also, I advise that any comments to the OLCC -- whether individual or for a group -- seek to persuade the commissioners

Shelbyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03526336902159765558noreply@blogger.com